"convereted to subdivs to smooth out" - how exactly do u smooth out wit subdivs?? "What I did for the areas was I converted to sub D then back to polies with more levels or whatever and back to sub D again."- i'm kinda noob so how exactly can i change more levels? "Then i changed the the sub D to ply option to lower polies and it fixed it" - how do u lower polys? btw thx for taking the time to right this, and i'll try wat u said as best as i can lol even though some of the stuff i did not understand clearly. haha every time i forget to crop the images to cut out the msn messages lol