Hey Tim_T Thanks, it only took about a day to do the rig with the controls and redirect axis etc, plus a couple of expressions. It it probably took about 2 days to skin it (softbind) and paint the weights. I've really got into it as I was a bit unsure at first as a guy I know would make out to me it was like doing rocket science, which it isn't. Its probably one of the most enjoyable parts of rigging as I find it quite relaxing, sometimes its a bit tricky in areas but otherwise..... I'm just finishing the facial expressions now which has taken me a couple of hours over a couple of evenings so once its done I'm gonna do some poses and pop those in the finished section. _J