hi guys figured out that if you just note the image proportions of the file texture and it's too big to scale down (manually - by grabbing the interactive placement gizmo), just type in a lower value keeping the same ratio - till you get it about right. then you can strat to manipulate it manually. that should do it! (no screen grab at the mo jango - haven't got my maya here. but it's ok got it working now. thanks) cheers guys Lori