Thats a good point mhcannon, I shall check for it! And yeah Pony im fiddling around a lot at the moment, especially mental ray properties. Would like to take some renders with it in sub-d, so I hope I can find the little blighters Any bewildered noob should download this tutorial - learning a bit of nurbs + polys + sub-d will help you to feel far more comfortable in the maya interface. It all begins to make a lot of sense quickly when you are taken right through a process. Thanks for the comments guys!