Ok thanks Yea I know it's not so great but it's all I have as it's never been realized in 3D that's why I want to do it heh I've worked with the image before and I see it often cause it's the logo for a community site I'm involved in so I feel I know what it looks like in 3D Here's what it would look like from the side if a paper-thin section was cut out of the center: Hopefully that gives you a better understanding of what I'm trying to create