update...or no update... i have played with bump maps and it looks ok now. still not happy but... i guess that i'll finish this thread and make it final for first stage, but as you can see there is no visual update.. why? because after the render was finish (about 90min), it just started over again and overwrite finished image... i dont know why it's doing that, but this is 5th time... the problem isn't impatience, it is rather the fact that i will not be able to post anything in next 7 days(field trip) i'm sorry that my work and i couldn't inspire you to write more comments, but never the less i learned a lot and hopefully i'll come back with better ideas and projects.. cheers to all