Wow! Thank you Jay. Why is everyone so stunned about the NURBS? (giggle) NURBS are good! They are your friend! (okay, so they take some getting used to and a few scripting do-dads and alot of cv moving by hand, etc.) But..., you can impress your friends with your abilities to work with a type of geometry that hardly anyone uses anymore! Awsome! Actually, I would like to start doing high rez looking stuff in polys, but I tend to view polygons as it seems many people here view NURBS, with awe or fear. Not exactly sure why that is. Perhaps I need therapy?