Hey Paul Looking very good so far. Keep the mesh tidy and balance the polys where you can, it will help later on. Obviously areas like the lips, the edge flow will differ somewhat. That N-sided poly on the lower jaw - on the GI dvd it will show you how to remove that:bandit: I rememeber when I did it almost cursing while recording LOL. I should post some outtakes LOL. Keep an eye on the lips too, they are sticking out a fair bit there, that area is almost a gentle curve normally, but I suppose depending on the references you're using things will differ a bit. Keep up the good work Jay