Mat, thanks I really liked the dragon ..fun little project ..hard and pain in the rump sometimes but fun 13th, thanks for the tip hehhe i just have no clue what to do next Tim, wel lI could never get it going right ....according to the dvd . But i ended up just being in polys and duplicating one side ...had to make sure all vertices was kinda close ..then i combined and then just went and merged all individual vertices lol was a pain in my arse ...but it work ...i know there are quicker ways but could not do it ...still trying to figure it out ... now i just dont know what else to work on either focus on more basic tutorials where they teach me tools or just jump into another project from simplymaya