ur right, that pic was just an update. I haven't spent much time on the back, the harch, and the upper qp. I did the basic outlining and now I'm working on smoothing. haha I ended up redoing the whole back bumper because I did a render on just the back and saw it was all screwy. easier to redo it but thanks for the comments. hopefully the model should bedone next monday when I update with pics. stay tuned