ohh sweet, imma have to try it out. which edges need more beveling. the onlt one I can think of is the sharp crease that runs about the wheel arches. anywyas thanks, ill give it a try. I have some renders with this new paint I've been trying and new setting but those pics allong with the mat u just mentioned will be uploded tuesday. yea its been a while, busy trying to build my portfolio. hey so u enteting that drift contect at sektor. I think I might want to do a skyline or s15 or even a s14 with a s15 conversion. thays what my boy rides, its sweet