yer i`m not liking too. got rid off it but cant seem to come up with any thing else that looks right. going to need to think about this one here ae some updates: blocking out where the snakes go. going for ten snakes. 3 each side 4 on top. https://www.ravage3d.com/images/neils...2007/med_a.jpg some amor idea not 100% happy with it so far https://www.ravage3d.com/images/neils...2007/med_b.jpg https://www.ravage3d.com/images/neils...2007/med_c.jpg smoothed and rendered https://www.ravage3d.com/images/neils...07/render1.jpg https://www.ravage3d.com/images/neils...07/render2.jpg https://www.ravage3d.com/images/neils...07/render3.jpg