cheers guys (and really thx you R@nSiD) for taking the time for the messages. Its the whole data base stuff that has had my head in a spin. even going thought these posts I`m still a little confused. I have access but it came with office 2007 so I think its a different process. The tables and rows stuff I got - I have had to deal with them before on the old flash site. My boss pointed me to a cheap and cheerful program called "Magic Gallery" https://www.raizlabs.com/Magic/ which has done the job in about 12 min with just the trial so I got the full thing - nice and cheap. Again thx you very much - and I`m going to look in to how to do this myselfand these tips were a great starting point. Look out for my new site soon. oh and gster123 seamonkey is a internet browser could not find any edit options in it that ain`t html based