Originally posted by gster123 Cheers Arran, good to see you back on, have you got your winning model? Would like to see a few snaps of it. cheers gster - - I actually got an email from mike just the other day to say that it's in the post - as soon as it comes through I'll post some pics. The model is definitely coming along - i think the nose needs a bit of work though - I know it's supposed to be fairly flat - but I still think it needs a touch more definition around the nostrils. maybe you can give him a Daniella Westbrook cocaine nose to make him look really freaky! :eeek2: still think the starfish needs to be smaller, but if not, I would definitely move it slightly, as right now the top of the starfish and the bottom of the hat are sharing the same edge and so it's looking kind of awkward - whenever you have the edge of two objects share the same space it just tends to flatten the image. Keep up the good work - looking forward to seeing that shader on your model and some more sea objects on his face.