Hey thanks, good catch. tried that, it is interesting. Any idea how to get a flame with mental ray? Or how to allow mental ray to render segmented shadows? that's why it says it won't render anything with a fluid effect, at any rate.

Heh, you're right. The pictures are in 4:3. My screen is what isn't.

Oh and the candle has nothing to do with this project, I just didn't see any reason to make a whole new thread for something i did just to learn how to do it, you know?