dont think this quite covers the gritty feel of what you were saying Genny, but this is the start ive made. Got lots more to do and add, including more falling volcanic rocks, and stuff, and then I guess i'll have to add the red lighting on stuff that reflects the eruption, and then add the moonlight onto the volcanic cloud. damn multiple light sources... Im making sure to keep all the volcano related bits on seperate layers so that I can turn the whole effect on or off..