Thanks ben will check it out! Thanks Gen...I didnt do incremenatl save so that skin is gone LOL. I put the to dots on it as the apple I had had sort of streaks....hard to do in Maya alone. Thanks Gen!!! you are a gem! I will try that...Im trying for as real as I can get....LOL I know its amateurish but Im having a go...its quite interesting all these nodes and things I didnt know you could do!!!!

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