NO dom Im not...just ramp shaders connected to the colour blinn node. I have just put the default and then a standard blinn onto it...no probs....my one of my ramps might be doing it but I deleted the connections one by one yesterday and it made no difference...hmmmmm

Well that was strange dom...I duplicated the network, deleted the old one and applied the new...works fine...bloody thing...thanks though mate

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