Thanks again ct...used a little imaginay...hope I havent disappointed. Ok the renders just arent going to happen...which is a real bitch....sigh. I THOUGHT I was going to improve some skills here but it looks like Im a shot bird...I have more detail to do..so far it hasnt locked up...but render...forget it. Anyway here is a little more...screen shots are all I can achieve...its pretty depressing now...I was so hoping to advance in all levels here...I think the modelling needs more honing...but Im annoyed I cant even render it out now....

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