Ahh Kris 'Antropus' Kosta's tutes, I haven't seen those for years!!! That guy is a modeller at ILM these days, he did some great work on Rango!! Mastone: Yeah I agree, digital tutors are a little over explanatory. With regard to the attachment of the cloth on the Alien tute, I was a little more conventional in my approach which in hindsight beats the hell out of the DT approach, I'm not going to tell you how I did it, you'll just have to download it otherwise there'd be no point to the tute, LOL, but its a real eye opener anyway.... cheers matey Jay