honestdom- That would make an interesting thread indeed. However I am on a timer and this employer turns his head to Modo but favors Maya so I m here at the moment to get a few models done by translating what I already know about while modeling with Maya. i happen to think the two would work very well together from a users point of view. However there are companies out there that ignores Modo altogether. I've talk with several of them already. They like my modeling but they want to see what I can do in Maya. another thing I am very curious about is once I get to the rendering part. What am I in for. I hear that you can't just rely on Maya as a render you need something else. Is this true? What is Maya like when it's time to render I wonder.