If you disregard some of the information Dom posted, he actually has some valuable insight. I'm glad someone said this, thanks John, because it's very true. Travis, it takes two to tango and you're not taking the high road on this one either. Which I get, because you can only take so much and he just ripped your work to pieces. As outrageous as this might sound, have you thought about apologizing to him for what sparked this off to begin with and putting an end to it? Because Dom's a nice guy and he spends a lot of time helping people out around here, I'm quite sure that if you'd be the one to wave the white flag first he'd take you up on it. For your "thanks for nothing, mods" comment I'll say this; being a mod on this site means helping people out (which they all go out of their way to do), not policing users around. We do not ban anyone on this forum because people are entitled to differ and like Dave mentioned, if it reaches the point where you can't stand someone there is the option to ignore it's there for a reason. This is one of the friendliest CG forums you'll find, and if you go somewhere else I wish you the best of luck in the future. If not, get back to the point Dom made about adding an environment for reflections, tweaking a metal shader the way you're doing it now is a bit like painting in the dark Cheers, Nilla