I'm still disappointed, but to the mods, and TDs; thank you for your input. It's just moderately frustrating knowing that something I've been doing by hand has a "cookie cutter" with "shapes" I never even thought about using. I understand that I'm saying a few things without actually saying them, but foremost is that I am not well enough educated, and am always looking for an easier way. My major issue was not realizing that the OP wasn't asking for what I was asking for even though the exact wording was used. Seeing all the stuff crush my hopes...well, that. Jay, gect - Thank you. Ctbram I understand. bullet1968 first: Huh? Second: /me sighs. I get it. I'm already using blender, maya, sketchup, proanimator, zbrush, sweethome3D, make human, keyshot, topogun, and a few others, not to mention the plugins for many of those. I kept it in the 3d realm. I suppose I should have manned up and admitted that I was a little peeved, and embarrassed when I saw 3DS max do something like that like it was just waking up and using the bathroom, when Maya has to be in it's second year of graduate school maintaining honors marks, and getting hella lucky to get that done. That makes 4 reasons I should learn max. When it gets to 7 or so I'll give it a try. Thank you guys for not insulting me. I know it would have been easy.