Not sure Rick that I could do a full one as most of it would be plagiarism but I could show what I have done and were you can find the tutorial to do it, just did a test on rotating the hull witch made the suspension twist in a funny way straight away I thought a aim constraint was the problem and I was right changing the world up to object then setting a locator as up. Yes once I get a chance I will do a playblast chilledoutredhead. I am test things as I go along the one with a bone on the outside is using a spring constrain but I will not use it as I will build that into the hull control witch will be easier..............dave