NamelessRigger I am familiar with the topic, my point is that its not ideal to have a control follow the mesh. I've worked in film for 25 years and Ive not seen it at any point. even with the uptodate methods However, as I was the only one offering to give you the help and suggestions, next time be more polite about accepting it instead of throwing it back in my face in such a rude manner , you are clearly confused in your own mess, even with your alleged 'years of experience as a character td. and if thats the method then follow that instead.... YOU have a nice day now cheers J