Ok, heres the final final, after the final . Anyways, its moreso smoothed out, tell me what you think caligraphics and what i still have to work on .. thanks. BTW, you see the ring with the 2 holes in it and that rod above it with holes in that? Well, go southeast from that ring and you will see a round cylinder.... its more detailed then it came out in the picuture after i resized it... but, thats going to be the little red button . Now that i look at it, this render isnt as nice... i did turn off "receive shadows".. that is what must of really knocked down the render time. It kinda did take away from the render though, hmmm... if anyone sees anything that still needs lots of work let me know (other than for that line thats running through the little red button... that i didnt notice until after the render... that must of happened when i smoothed at one time ).