Disect a flower!! Sounds gorey! :O, put it to sleep first.. please . Heheh. I really admire how you get deep into your work brian.. hopefully one day i will be good enough to be able to do things like figure out exactly how somethign works to make my models better... atm if i did that its not going to help much.. at your level it could make that little difference that means a lot. Ok, cya around.. hope you finish this one, heheh.