well... I think I have moved from GI joe to MR. I know... it surprised me to... But take a look at this, with a 30 sec render time, nice clean, and it has reflections!! Still needs alot of work.. but I am workin on it. what do you think? Brian BTW sorry, the compression sucks right out of Maya.... anyone know how to chage the quality of Maya's Jpg compression? Thanks again