Well its 4:31 in the morning here in ontario.. hope this message makes sense... Nearly finished the body for now... I think the front legs need to be wider... Almost ready to actually add character to this guy by giving him a head that resembles Fred... M: Its still poly's i just use a lower poly proxy as the cage, with the smoother underneath... its fake Sub-d setup from Maya 4: Fundamentals book. I'm not sure if i'll use fur yet, i'd like to, but I have to see how difficult it will be before I decide. Off to get some much needed sleep.