Digital humans the art of the digital double
Ever wanted to know how digital doubles are created in the movie industry? This course will give you an insight into how it's done.
#
16
10-09-2009
, 04:24 PM
Registered User
Join Date: Sep 2006
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Bulgaria, Vidin
Posts: 1,310
Is it a side creature... depends...
I use about 3k or less for creatures.
For next gen is about 10k Triangles.
The map for some MMOS are 512x512 but for some other games they use 1024x1024... Everything depends on the engine!
The engine set the poly count and the maps size...
#
17
10-09-2009
, 04:26 PM
Registered User
Join Date: Mar 2009
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: London, England
Posts: 1,009
Give it a few years and characters will be at 50k and environments topping half a million, that'll be fun!
Also I was quoting main characters as that's what this challenge is all about, so it'd be a bit lower for secondary characters.
#
18
10-09-2009
, 04:30 PM
The Nurb Herd
Join Date: Oct 2007
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: London
Posts: 2,381
#
19
10-09-2009
, 04:32 PM
Registered User
Join Date: Mar 2009
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: London, England
Posts: 1,009
Haha, yeah, with the way my characters are going it'll be NEXT NEXT gen.....lolOriginally posted by hammer.horror
its cool, i'll set myself the limit of 25k... its next gen after all!
My smiler is at just over 26k, so it could be slightly reduced I guess, but then, it's not actually for a game, so I won't! lol!
#
20
10-09-2009
, 04:47 PM
Registered User
Join Date: Sep 2006
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Bulgaria, Vidin
Posts: 1,310
Just pointing out my understanding ...
Good luck to all!
p.s This time i will texture my model!!!!:bandit:
#
21
10-09-2009
, 05:06 PM
Registered User
Join Date: Mar 2009
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: London, England
Posts: 1,009
In the next few years ( say a maximum of 5 or so) there could well be another step up in consoles, a next next gen, which would go along the lines of far more processing power, so for someone like me who's only just started in 3d, I don't think there's anything wrong of thinking ahead, it'll take a couple of years to get the knowledge and practice needed so by then I'll be on par with the current technology.
If I was close to working in the industry now I'd agree to stay with as low poly as possible, but I think preparing for the future is a bit of a better idea for now, just takes some logical thinking to work out what poly limits will be in the not too distant future. 5 years isn't a long time after all, and time does fly by as you get older! lol
Just my opinion mate, I don't know what path of 3d I'd like to pursue yet anyway so poly limits are a side concern for me at the moment.
#
22
10-09-2009
, 05:14 PM
The Nurb Herd
Join Date: Oct 2007
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: London
Posts: 2,381
#
23
10-09-2009
, 06:14 PM
Maniacal boy king of Babylon
Join Date: Aug 2005
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: the netherlands
Posts: 1,605
Thing is you have to model as efficient as possible even in next next gen if you can do a character with 6000 tris don't make it 8000.
And Hammer if you are really making a gamecharacter try doing a retopology workflow;
-make basemeshes in maya( do a quick uv mapping)
-go to ZBrush/mudbox for high detailing
-go to maya import a midres model back into maya and make a lowresscage of the midress model(I use DRAster tools from Nex it has a great "make live"tool which makes it very easy to draw over de midress creating a efficient lowpoly character then do a proper uv mapping and bake the normal map with a tool called XNormal (very good tool it makes better normal maps and easier then ZBrush and can handle more poly's then Maya)
My website;
https://www.eyellem.com
LinkedIn:
https://www.linkedin.com/pub/martin-van-stein/42/a81/b82
Yoda post;
https://forum.simplymaya.com/showthre...highlight=yoda
Indiana Jones Post;
https://srv01.simply3dworld.com/showt...threadid=29188
#
24
10-09-2009
, 06:37 PM
Registered User
Join Date: Sep 2006
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Bulgaria, Vidin
Posts: 1,310
i don't have cash to buy it :p :p :p :p
#
25
10-09-2009
, 08:15 PM
The Nurb Herd
Join Date: Oct 2007
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: London
Posts: 2,381
i did say "or less" so i will aim for less.Originally posted by mastone
I think people aim to much at getting a maximum amount of poly's in their character here
Thing is you have to model as efficient as possible even in next next gen if you can do a character with 6000 tris don't make it 8000.
And Hammer if you are really making a gamecharacter try doing a retopology workflow;
-make basemeshes in maya( do a quick uv mapping)
-go to ZBrush/mudbox for high detailing
-go to maya import a midres model back into maya and make a lowresscage of the midress model(I use DRAster tools from Nex it has a great "make live"tool which makes it very easy to draw over de midress creating a efficient lowpoly character then do a proper uv mapping and bake the normal map with a tool called XNormal (very good tool it makes better normal maps and easier then ZBrush and can handle more poly's then Maya)
that workflow sounds very convoluted, I'll stick to what i know.
I've never intended to work in games and they are not really something i know much about. I just thought it would be quicker as i only really have this weekend and then its here and there from then on.
#
26
10-09-2009
, 09:53 PM
Maniacal boy king of Babylon
Join Date: Aug 2005
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: the netherlands
Posts: 1,605
The polycount thing was a general remark as I hear people shouting ridiculous polycounts like 10K as far as i know A 6/7 K polycount is acceptabel for a maincharacter nowadays.Originally posted by hammer.horror
i did say "or less" so i will aim for less.
that workflow sounds very convoluted, I'll stick to what i know.
I've never intended to work in games and they are not really something i know much about. I just thought it would be quicker as i only really have this weekend and then its here and there from then on.
And a retopology workflow is something you can use in a postproductionsetting aswell since my guess is that when you guys animate you want an efficient model for animating aswell.
The big plus for a retopo workflow to me is that you can make a "stickman" in Maya and completely build a character in ZBrush (It is a lot quicker when it comes to shaping and reshaping in zbrush) and when your done decide think about an eficient edgeflow for animation without worrying to much about the character looks and so on.
But does as you like of course it's only a suggestion
My website;
https://www.eyellem.com
LinkedIn:
https://www.linkedin.com/pub/martin-van-stein/42/a81/b82
Yoda post;
https://forum.simplymaya.com/showthre...highlight=yoda
Indiana Jones Post;
https://srv01.simply3dworld.com/showt...threadid=29188
#
27
10-09-2009
, 10:02 PM
Registered User
Join Date: Mar 2009
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: London, England
Posts: 1,009
I got that info from a sybex book on game creation using Maya, the word ridiculous isn't quite the right one....Originally posted by mastone
The polycount thing was a general remark as I hear people shouting ridiculous polycounts like 10K as far as i know A 6/7 K polycount is acceptabel for a maincharacter nowadays.
You can use a less poly model, there's nothing wrong with doing so,but why would you when technology allows you to use more just as easily, and you can even make the smaller details better allowing for close up shots etc?
A larger poly count only allows for more freedom in my opinion, but then once again it's only my opinion and I am quite new to 3d so may quite well be wrong! lol
I just don't like being restricted in creativity! (Maybe game modelling just isn't for me...haha)
#
28
10-09-2009
, 10:44 PM
EduSciVis-er
Join Date: Dec 2005
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Toronto
Posts: 3,374
If you're free to throw a ton of polys around, you'll be more likely to have a sloppy mesh... I guess it's analogous to... well I can't really think of anything at the moment, but if you learn low poly well, you'll be better at higher res?
Feel free to contradict me and abuse my post
#
29
11-09-2009
, 12:57 AM
Subscriber
Join Date: Dec 2007
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: NZ
Posts: 3,125
no i'm kidding of course. it's like being everything you want as a little kid... you grow up spoilt and weak and unable to do anything yourself, whereas if you have to work for stuff or you have limited resources you find ways of using them efficiently... actually i think i started mixing multiple analogies together...
texture/bump/normal/displacement maps solve a lot of the details issues anyway
not sure how much of a performance hit they have actually, but considering they are favoured over actual verts they must be better?
that's a "Ch" pronounced as a "K"
Computer skills I should have:
Objective C, C#, Java, MEL. Python, C++, XML, JavaScript, XSLT, HTML, SQL, CSS, FXScript, Clips, SOAR, ActionScript, OpenGL, DirectX
Maya, XSI, Photoshop, AfterEffects, Motion, Illustrator, Flash, Swift3D
Last edited by Chirone; 11-09-2009 at 01:29 AM.
#
30
11-09-2009
, 10:12 PM
The Maya Mountain
Join Date: Aug 2002
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Seattle, WA
Posts: 8,245
Buck Rogers
Zorro
Flash Gordon
Dick Tracy
Lara Croft
Nathan Drake
The Rocketeer
The Three Musketeers
The Shadow
The Phantom
The Green Hornet
Indiana Jones
The Lone Ranger
Doctor Who
James Bond
Malcolm Reynolds
Sherlock Holmes
Dirk Pitt
Robin Hood
Snake Plisskin
Han Solo
Luke Skywalker
Rick O'Connell
The Man With No Name (Clint Eastwood western hero)
Just to name a few...
Posting Rules Forum Rules
Similar Threads
New Challenge: My Dream Office $500 First Prize
by Nilla in forum Previous Challenges (Archives) replies 18 on 03-08-2011
FX CHALLENGE 01
by ragecgi in forum Previous Challenges (Archives) replies 40 on 17-04-2008
FX CHALLENGE GENERAL RULES
by ragecgi in forum Previous Challenges (Archives) replies 0 on 11-02-2008
July/Aug Challenge Rules and Guidelines!
by mtmckinley in forum Previous Challenges (Archives) replies 24 on 26-08-2006
March/April 2004 Challenge Rules!
by mtmckinley in forum Previous Challenges (Archives) replies 25 on 01-05-2004
Topics
New tutorial - Create tileable textures from photos. Photoshop to Alchemist to Maya 2
By David
Site News & Announcements
3
Free Courses
Full Courses
VFX News
How computer animation was used 30 years ago to make a Roger Rabbit short
On 2022-07-18 14:30:13
Sneak peek at Houdini 19.5
On 2022-07-18 14:17:59
VFX Breakdown The Man Who Fell To Earth
On 2022-07-15 13:14:36
Resident Evil - Teaser Trailer
On 2022-05-13 13:52:25
New cloud modeling nodes for Bifrost
On 2022-05-02 20:24:13
MPC Showreel 2022
On 2022-04-13 16:02:13