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@legendofzombi and @mayaniac
slightly off tack but I think they are still trying the bio solution as well in computing?? The OLED screen for TV is along those lines isnt it???
Another form of propulsion were laser pulses on a thin sheild at the rear of the craft. I believe energy was the problem but they were working on a theory similar to 'ramjet; tech, where it would scoop up hydrogen particles (after initial thrust) and create propulsion that way. If they can solve and harness dark energy (if it exists) this may work on a similar principle.
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Oh and g-man the bending of the spacial plane is a great theory, instead of a wormhole, you bend space itself. No need for a wormhole and no connection to keep stable (in theory). Much like the mirror on the wall, sounds good.
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off track again,
now that you 2 genii have started this monster,
IS there a function in Maya that will do a blanket pull?? ie instead of UV mapping all these edges etc etc etc you could say get a cup, split the inner from outer faces. Then 'grab' a nominated point and 'pull' the skin so to speak to a planar level?? or nominate said point and the 'skin' follows the contour (like liquid) until it lays on a plane?? get my drift?
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you totally confused me mate.
try explaining a bit differently? add image? something..lol
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this thread has got me thinking and if you created an elevator to the moon (saves on rockets of course ) , how fast would it have to travel to achieve what would be considered an exceptable amount of time to be in the said elevator?
I dont think i would like more that 3 hours or so in such a confined space although it would depend on the company of course ..lol
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01-05-2010
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Originally posted by jsprogg
this thread has got me thinking and if you created an elevator to the moon (saves on rockets of course ) , how fast would it have to travel to achieve what would be considered an exceptable amount of time to be in the said elevator?
I dont think i would like more that 3 hours or so in such a confined space although it would depend on the company of course ..lol
Well, the elevator wouldn't extend to the moon... it would be totally torn apart as the moon moves slightly further away from the planet. The elevator would extend to a dock in Earth orbit.... essentially a ship yard, where ships would be built to travel to the moon, or Mars, and beyond. As the ships wouldn't have to break from the Earth's clutches... the ships could be designed completely differently, could go further and carry more. With a standard Rocket it takes 90% of it's mass to get the rocket into Earth orbit. All the fuel required, not to mention the fuel storage, boosters, etc. In the end all that gets into space is usually a small capsule, or a small shuttle.
The elevator would also make exploration easier. Once your ship, which you docked to in Earth's orbit, has taken you to Mars. It would simple fire down an 'anchor' or base for the elevator... then you simply take a ride down to the surface.
As for the time it takes... I'm not sure how long ti would take to get into geosynchronous orbit
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great points, I will have to read into some of that stuff... great links and insight.
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The Maya man is right. The method of propulsion is an issue as cables would not be effective. I saw a doco on some British dudes c/o James May where they were using high intensity lasers to 'push' a UFO so to speak to gain height. The laser pulsed underneath the UFO and somehow created lift, it was part of a comp into this elevator theory.
Once in orbit off you go. I believe they were thinking of mining helium3 from the moon for the fuel steve? I cant remember. This fuel theoretacally could power any ship and as you said, no gravity to escape from. The days of blasting components using standard hydrocarbons would be over.
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The above might explain some things. If the laser thing didnt work there was another 'rail' system proposed from memory, much the same way a roller coaster starts off on its journey. The loading would be a problem, so you have power of unit/weight/propulsion issues which need to be resolved. It is quite a feasible idea. I would think also the 'dock' would need some good processing to keep it in orbit? as even geostationary object orbit decay over time, so it would have to be constantly adjusting for this. Of course the propulsion method would have to be strong but flexible enough for this as well.
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I will do a sketch today and throw it up g-man
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Bullet: I heard something a long time ago about mining on the moon, but it won't happen anytime soon. Especially with the cancellation of the constellation project. America isn't even planning on going back to the moon, "Been there done that" was Obama's general opinion on it (in less words of course) but I do like the new ideas.
Well, the dock wouldn't fall out of Orbit thanks to centrifugal force. It's like taking a yoyo and spinning it around with in your hand.... all you have to do is rotate your wrist to a quick enough velocity, and the yoyo stays fully extended. The same would apply to the space elevator.
As for the laser propulsion design you mentioned. That wouldn't actually be guided on a cable. It's actually achieves it's lift from super heating the air inside of an inverted cone with a laser, the super heated air is then blasted out of the bottom creating lift.
I saw the James May show you're talking about "Big Ideas" I think it's called. The mini elevator you saw there was creating it's lift with electrical motors. They just point a high intensity light (laser on the bigger models) at the base, which is formed of a small solar array, which converts the light into electrical energy to run the motors.
G-man: I've been reading a bit more into Quantum Entanglement, and I'm not too sure of it's effectiveness as a teleportation device. As the two entangled particle start together, and are then spread apart, and of course you get the great real time update effects. And this might work for transferring data on a previously established system.
But let me give you this to play with. Lets say we develop the technology to transport people using this method. We have the Entangled particles we need to begin the "transfer". We have decided we want to send our subject to a new planet 1,000 light years away. We know that the "Data (our person)" would be transported/updated there instantly, faster than light could even get there (1,000 years)..... We have out first entangled particle sat here.... but how does the second of the entangled particles get to the new planet to receive the "data (person)"?
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I heard the Americans dont want to go either BUT the CHINESE might start the ball rolling. As the biggest single population next to India (yes the Indians are at it too) they need energy. Traditional 'green' energy wont suffice, nuclear is the option of the moment (unless fusion gets solved). So they were thinking hard, this is where the elevator came in on the scene. No rockets needed and mining made very easy.
Centrifugal force yes, BUT will it work with the docking unit in zero gravity??? I didnt see that part on the doco. And you have gravity if the centifugal doesnt work. Enlighten me my friend.
here you go g-man, see if this makes sense, you to steve
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You would have to have a 'receival' unit wouldnt you steve?? if thats what you meant? but you wouldnt be able to. Secondly how the hell would you get the accuracy to hit said planet?? As a Surveyor I would like to know this one!!! It would be a real bitch to be 'sent' and get the wrong address???
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I see what the image is saying (I think). But not sure what it's for.... must have missed a question or some info.
The centrifugal force would work better in space... not as much gravity to compete with. This method could also be used for artificial gravity.
Oh yeah, everyone is is getting in on Space exploration... but I'm not sure if anyone is planning any mining trips to the moon. I read that the private sector would might be aiming for the moon.... but purely for thrill seekers with big wallets. But even commercial space flight is a long way from taking people to the moon.
The sheer cost of getting into and back from space at the moment is FAR to expensive for any mining trip to turn a profit.
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