Introduction to Maya - Modeling Fundamentals Vol 1
This course will look at the fundamentals of modeling in Maya with an emphasis on creating good topology. We'll look at what makes a good model in Maya and why objects are modeled in the way they are.
# 31 23-12-2003 , 09:08 AM
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xenons will hyperthread under XP pro.. already.. I do belive.

# 32 23-12-2003 , 12:40 PM
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Hey russell amazing price for the 52xRW drive...

I was thinking that after Xmas it will be time to search for prices for Mobo+processor+ram myself (as in february prices usually drop a bit)

And its the same "teological" question as always AMD vs. Intel

So the new amds go 64Bits... but theres no software yet able to take advantage of it...And the Intels have hyperthreading (and maya recognices 2 processors on render)... yet on the latest benchmarks i saw the amd64 still beated the PIV3000HT on brute force 32bits proccesing (not by much, but if we take into consideration Price/power...)

I havent been able to extract exactly what hyperthreading does from under the marketing blurbs that "explain" it... does it effectively doubles the processor instructions/sec for programs able to use more than one processor?... (kinda what happens with DDR memorysvs old normal memory) Or its just a cosmetic word for general processor optimization on multitasking?


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# 33 24-12-2003 , 01:48 AM
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I'm no techy but hyperthreading is just like taking a 2 16 bit apps and running them on one prosecer like there are 2 becouse there is a 32 bit cpu. you can split it in to 2 16 bit channels.. since there are not a lot of apps that are writon .. (none that I know of really) that run on 64 bits.. you can use that extra bit width buy splitting it. The cpu and OS has to suport it though hince the name hyperthreading.

# 34 24-12-2003 , 12:10 PM
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Not quite, Pony.

Hyper-threading takes advantage of the latency that is present in all single thread processors (All previous Pentiums and all current AMDs, including 64bit, are single thread). As a thread is processed, there is naturally periods of latency in the thread - time where the processor is not being used.

Hyperthreading takes advantage of this by taking two threads and processing the instructions of one during the "downtime" of the other. The reason that the OS is aware of 2 logical processors is down to "state" - the exact configuration of the processor at any given instant. A Hyperthreading processor maintains two versions of it's "state" , one for the first thread and one for the second. The OS sees both states and therefore it thinks it sees two processors.

The important thing here is not to confuse software threading with processor threading. Most people know that Windows XP, 2000, 2003 are multi-threading operating systems. What this means is that the OS divides the software processing up into chunks and sends them to the processor for processing which, if it is an HT processor, will break down the thread into sub-threads and process those in parallel. A non-HT processor will have to process the thread from the OS in one long stream.

Realistically you can see around 10-30% increase in performance where the largest gains will be in FPU intensive tasks... such as rendering.


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# 35 24-12-2003 , 12:14 PM
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When I get my PC up and running (with a 3.2GHz P4C-HT) next week, I'll run some maya specific rendering benchmarks with and without HT and we'll see what the advantage is to us.


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# 36 24-12-2003 , 01:20 PM
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ok cool. well that sorts that out..

# 37 24-12-2003 , 05:02 PM
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Eager to see it huxley...

Doh, we europeans are lagging 3 months on processor prices and availability... "64bits AMD´s? whats that?" they told me with a grin on my usual dealer... i think ill update, lets say june instead of feb...

Oh and Huxley, returning to a topic i tought some months ago: It is possible to configure a memory card reader bay as a boot device? (lately i saw a 1gb memory stick (compact flash from the brand "transcend")for just 251€)
I mean if it is feasible to install winXP to the memory stick and everything else to the HD (including virtual memory etc)... will it go faster than the normal configuration(since it will be booting from and running some parts on a solid state memory?)


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# 39 24-12-2003 , 06:23 PM
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Originally posted by dragonfx
Eager to see it huxley...

Doh, we europeans are lagging 3 months on processor prices and availability... "64bits AMD´s? whats that?" they told me with a grin on my usual dealer... i think ill update, lets say june instead of feb...

I'm in Paris and most of this stuff is pretty widely available... of course you have to pay a premium for buying in the "smaller" european market... my P4 processor cost me the equivalent of about $420.

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Oh and Huxley, returning to a topic i tought some months ago: It is possible to configure a memory card reader bay as a boot device? (lately i saw a 1gb memory stick (compact flash from the brand "transcend")for just 251€)
I mean if it is feasible to install winXP to the memory stick and everything else to the HD (including virtual memory etc)... will it go faster than the normal configuration(since it will be booting from and running some parts on a solid state memory?)

I dont imagine that this is possible as the memory stick reader normally requires a driver under the OS. Therefore in order to load the driver, the OS must already be loaded.

Anyway, even if it was possible, this wouldn't improve performance too much. Except for virtual memory and loading programs, the OS is rarely accessing the disk. The best solution to a "grinding" disk (normally caused by lots of virtual paging) is more RAM.


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yeah the PIVup to 3.0HT (249€) is widely available but if you want a 3.2 it goes to 369€! and if you ask for amd64 or amd opterons they look like "how funny" at you and say "yes we could give you one if you had enough money and were willing to wait a week or two, but we know you optimice price performance so you better wait..."

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Hey guys and dolls! user added image

Just a quickie here as I head off to work... I just got my Abit NF7 MOBO and I'm psyched! Now all I have to do is let a few more bills clear the bank and I can get my CPU. Ohhhhh mannnnnn! :bgreen: I'm sooooooo happy! user added image Looks like I'll be going with the Athlon 2500+ "Barton Core" for that. I'll keep you all posted. user added image And as a side note, as a merchandiser for Disney, I just found out I received the free movies I can earn every month if I follow the criteria I'm supposed to. Yippee! Now I have TWO copies of "Finding Nemo" and "Santa Claus 2" user added image LOL!

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Okay everybody...

The moment is almost here! user added image I just ordered my CPU Thursday night and allI need is my memory and my graphics card. My hard drive is a Western Digital 40 GB drive with only 2 MB cache but that's only b/c my wife can't pass up a bargain as the drive was $79.99 with a $40 M.I.R. so we got it for $49.99 in essence.
I know where I can get 512 MB PC3200 RAM online for $65. Now here's my problem. This is what I've found for my graphics card since the wife is limiting my budget - mostly so I can get my computer up and running. I'll upgrade later on. Read on and let me know if this is a good idea for my Maya setup...

ATI RADEON 9200se 128MB DDR AGP 8X TV OUT / - $42.00

General Features . Powered by the revolutionary RADEON 9200se GPU- world's fastest and most advanced graphics processing unit with AGP 8X bus implementation . Features ATI's TRUFORM, SMARTSHADER, SMOOTHVISION, and HYPER Z II technologies . Optimized for Pentium 4 SSE2 and AMD Athlon 3Dnow! Processor instructions . Up to 128MB of powerful double data rate (DDR) memory . Supports 3D resolutions (32-bit color) up to 2048x1536 . Support for DirectXR 8.1 and OpenGLR 1.3 features . Latest 3D games support the advanced features of RADEON? 9200 . oem version . powered by ATI. Industry-leading DVD video playback for best motion video quality . Vivid TV output support.

Question: Will this do me alright for now? I'm tired of waiting to build this thing. Power can be achieved later. I just want to get this thing going as soon as possible. Any advice will be taken seriously! user added image Thanks guys and gals!

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# 43 05-01-2004 , 11:09 AM
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Should be ok.... I dont see any reason not to jump on it for $42... if it doesnt work you can always send it back.


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# 44 05-01-2004 , 07:19 PM
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Cant see any problems with it mate. Might not be stellar performance but t should get you up and running.


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OK, i so did my homework and been searching for an update and I have come to this combos:

Config0(highest cannibalization)
BOX ATX levicom MF-LCDDisplay(350W) (silver,3 fans) 99€
ASUS K8V DELUXE AMD 64 179€
Athlon 64 3000+ Processor 230€
Artic cooling silencer AMD64(20dB)13.5€
2X (DDR 512 Mb. 400 Mhz. Kingston) 2x(97.50€)=195€
TOTAL=715.5
(i still can mix and match old parts to have my old pc functional and might consider on financing it all on 6 months and adding a secondary monitor to the list)

CONFIG 1 (low cannibalization)
BOX ATX levicom MF-LCDDisplay(350W) 99€
ASUS K8V DELUXE AMD 64 179€
Athlon 64 3000+ Processor 230€ (2000Mhz, 512kbCache)
FAN Artic cooling silencer AMD64(20dB)13.5€
2X (DDR 512 Mb. 400 Mhz. Kingston) 2x(97.50€)=195€
XFX GEFORCE FX 5600 ULTRA 256MB TV DVI 135,50€
DVDRW +- X4 135€
memorycards Reader 15€
No monitor
No HDD

TOTAL=1002€

CONFIG 2 (drool)
As config1 but with
Athlon 64 3200+ Processor (290€) (2000Mhz, 1mb cache)
FAN thermaltake volcano 12 (39.9€)
DVDRW + X8 (145€)
Seagate 120Gb HDD (85€)
TOTAL=1183.4€

It still looks like bloody expensive to me... but if anyone has anything to tellme about em or can point me to european net distributors that might have it cheaper...

(guess i will wait a month more to see if the bloody amd64 and dvd drives go a bit more cheaper)

also: does anybody knows if the AMD64 is easily overclockeable (with the Asus mobo bios) and to what extent? (i mean, i dont wanna mess with cutters pen leads superglue and thermal silver with that...user added image


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