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Anyway, I find that each step of a project is related to the preceeding one, so for example, rigging a character brings up modelling flaws, and animating brings up rigging flaws, and so on. If I just modeled ad nauseam, I may learn much about modeling commands and techniques, but not much about how to model well for animation.
Besides, I don't make a living out of this dragon, so it can be as mediocre as it can be, as long as I am learning and having fun...
And people have every right to tell me right in the face that it's mediocre, that's good for learning too!
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No come on, no shooting and torching... I got so many nice comments from this thread, thank you so much everyone.
The guy that said it was mediocre has a point: I am not a pro, so my work is amateurish. But guess what, I AM an amateur! When my work becomes professional grade, then I will be a professional and I will be expected to do outstanding work. I think that the fact of learning something in itself is worth the effort. I don't feel like throwing this thing in the garbage, because I am having fun with it, and it's better than my past attempts. And hopefully, my next attempts will be better than this one...
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I personally need it to motivate myself!
I am thinking of opening an area on the site for "hard crits" In there it will be blunt honest as I think this place needs it!
dont get me wrong - Its great to incourage or else its so hard to keep motivated if you are always put down.. but constructive crit is what we need!
I think this is probably silviapalara best work so I am very pleased for him - he is improving all the time, which is why he is here... but yes it could be improved...what i suggest is maybe seeing this though to the end - then starting again .... and again. He would be amazed at how much better he could get it with another few goes
In any case some good posts here...and its good to see a guy improving aswell
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I guess it depends on how much one is willing to do to get a great result, either in small incremental steps with each new project or redoing one and the same until it is perfect. I know which I prefer, but there is joy in doing something really good too.
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And let me tell you that with "crappy", "shitty" and "mediocre", 3dgurl knows how to make a girl feel special...
Ok, ok, I'll get back to serious. As I said before, the reason I post my crap here (eheheheh, see, I do listen! Oh shit, I was supposed to be back to serious... Oh well!) is so that people who know more than me can criticize! That's the whole point! And no, I don't take offence, I don't lose sleep on it, don't cry and don't go hide in a closet because someone called things their name.
And I think I have already acknowledged that my stuff is, in fact, mediocre. The point, as Kevin kindly pointed out, is whether I improve with each crappy (oops, here I go again) work or not. If not, then I am an ass and wasting everybody's time, including my own.
So keep the criticism coming, guys! As I say, I am here to learn!
And I SOOOOO agree with fredrikson that redoing the same thing over and over is BORING! Necessary, but boring.
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Smile!!!!
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I happen to agree with Fred; when I think I have done enough on a model, even though remaking parts would improve it, I tend to just leave it and go on to the next thing. I think as long as each model progresses the previous one does not need to be endlessly fiddled with. But if people want to do that that's up to them.
I find the best comments to be had on SM are ones that say; this is a good part, this part needs work, eek dump that bit. If you just have the 'dump it' part most of us would never model anything because we cannot compete with people who have decided they are pros.
Some of us don't actually want to be pros but we do want to improve. You can make helpful suggestions without just saying 'hey it's hard but it has to be said' as actually, no it doesn't, it's just one persons view.
I don't think people should just say wow that's great all the time but sometimes on some boards I have read I don't think people posting can tell the difference between constructive suggestions and downright slams.
I think an area for 'hard' crits would be decent but I can see it getting very harsh from some people who clearly think they are so much above the rest of us to have them just looking at our work is a privilege for us. Some of the best modellers and Maya users here are the most modest imho and people should learn from them. Self promotion doesn't actually add anything to constructive criticism.
My view is that helpful suggestions on my models are always welcome (had some great ones in this times challenge for example) but I am not certain I want to read how crap it is from self styled modelling gurus because they fancy laying into something they 'made easily before'. I'd just hope that people remember what 'constructive criticism' means. You don't have to demean someone and say how much better you are than them to help them with their work. Noone learns like that.
And yes today I am forum surfing waiting for builders to come and look at the ceiling the plumber pulled down yesterday. Isn't life great.
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LOL i was thinking it was brazilain or something!!!Originally posted by silviapalara
Kevin, my man, I am not a "he" (how many guys do you know called Silvia?) to begin with...
any ways....nice smile on the dragon
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witch it was not my intention to go around bashing work. if it were i would not have even apologized for sounding cold. i was not implying anything other than i feel she needs to do a lot of work and research. sure some of you dont want to be pros but also keep in mind those who are actually striving to become a pro need to hear it here and not at thier interview for a potential 3d job. I have had a few of my works torn and shredded apart in critiques. things i had slaved over only to realize i had to start over. and this was a crit session that was prepping me for real stuff. @ EA they have a session every friday morning where they look at everyones work for the week and criticisze and pick it apart. You need to be able to be ready for the most harsh stuff and take it as a way to learn instead of getting emotional and upset. ESPECIALLY for us females it's very harsh in this industry even more so in the gaming industry. Hell recently, the company i work for outsourced to another company and they took a look at one of my earlier models and basicaly said it was unfit to animate. so i had to make the model over again. even though it looked good, it was not good for animation AND it was high in polygon count. As hurt as i felt i had to calm down look at my work find what was wrong leanr form that then start over. Also doing a model over is MUCH MUCH easier and faster the second time around ^_^
Silvia in regards to the bryce/poser joke... i can make that sort of joke because technically you can get any software free via kazaa, gnutella, ftps etc. >_> mind you 2/3 of ppl using maya are most likely using a burned copy. the copy i have is burn of the maya cd's from my old school. if i could atcually afford maya lol i'd be ONE happy person.
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If it isn't constructive however, most criticism is pointless because the message is lost in meaningless bashing, thus devaluing any critique. I don't agree people who want to be professional need to have their work bashed to learn - I am in a different profession but it is not as if I have no job and / or no experience of a learning environment; in fact I teach, lecture and demonstrate to undergraduate and postgraduate students and more junior members of my team. I had some very harsh Professors when I first went into my profession and I found the point of their argument was harder to distill - they could have been more economic and not wasted my time and theirs. I worked for a chap who didn't speak to any junior surgeon outside theatre, not even to say good morning. He taught me many things, but social skills was not one of them.
I don't think everything is about singing a happy song and molly coddling people, if there is no hope we get rid of them, I am talking about balance.
People might think over harsh means effective, and that you have to be harsh to play with the men in a male environment. There are very few women in my profession (I am not female, to avoid confusion) and I have only one, rather junior, woman in my team at present. The usual ratio in my speciality is about 100:1 male to female at senior level. My female registrar doesn't expect to be treated better or worse than anyone else however, nor does she feel a need to act like a chap in order for me to have effective expectations of her. I don't feel a need to be nicer to her to redress the balance of the sexes, if she is good enough she will get to be more senior, if not, she won't. She chose this job, it is up to her to make the most of it.
Women don't need to pretend to be men or something they are not to be successful imho. They don't need to prove things by dishing it out harder and stronger than the men. I have seen that in junior female staff in the past and it just looks weird. I know women who make maps for games, they don't expect to have their work judged as 'good for a woman', it's good or it isn't.
Men are just as capable of being upset and defensive about their work as women. More so in some cases; people are individuals not simply genders after all. If you have worked in places where they bash work and feel that is a good thing then that's fine, I just don't agree that people learn as effectively like that. And the argument that 'everyone does it like that' is not good enough in my opinion, I don't believe in buying into prevalent behaviour or opinions simply because other people think them or do them. If that makes me unpopular, big deal.
I think some people (not saying you, but speaking generally) enjoy being harsh for the sake of it as they think it makes them look smart. In my profession I already know how smart I am and I don't need to prove it, instead my focus when teaching is to ensure that the people working for me learn as much as possible, in the best way possible, in order that they are as effective as they can be, as efficiently as possible. Senior staff time is money.
I demand very high standards and I get them, but I don't need to treat people badly to do it. In fact in these days of employment law and active harrassment suits people in all industries need to think long and hard before demeaming others. Sooner or later a prevalent culture of harrassment and demeaning behaviour is always challenged in the courts.
Harsh does not mean clever or smart, and just because people are harsh to you does not mean you need to be harsh to others. You don't have to buy into a culture to pass your knowledge (undoubtedly high in this case) to others. It's your choice how you offer criticism, whether other people chose to dish it out harshly or not. And asking for things to be constructive is not being wimpy in my view, it is just recognising that most people learn better like that. You can deconstruct a model and advise someone on how to make it better in a constructive way or you can 'pull it apart'; it's a matter of perception but the actual criticism is probably the same. One just takes less time and is probably received better. I don't say love everyone love their models, I just think bashing is pointless.
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