thanks, the next thing is mental ray.., i'm gaining a little understanding of the renderers.., but it'll take quite sometime to get to the level of understanding i see you have. I used the presets on the maya render layers.., i think i can owe the look of this render to the little i know of compositing and the layer blend modes. ????
(to yu)
john, OK, now i know i can work with it.., maya has been playing up a little.., for example i cant repeat extrude with the 'G' command or merge with the 'G ' command??? yep, the script is in the correct place.
anyway.., ill try again.
thanks john
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