Introduction to Maya - Modeling Fundamentals Vol 2
This course will look in the fundamentals of modeling in Maya with an emphasis on creating good topology. It's aimed at people that have some modeling experience in Maya but are having trouble with complex objects.
# 1 03-10-2007 , 06:11 AM
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What makes a scene look photorealistic

Is it the scene modeling and texturing or does the renderer you use makie it look that way. I have done some objects will realistic texturing and rendered it out with mental and maya software renderer, and it still doesn't look photorealistic to me. This is a bit frustrating because I cannot gage my progress as a modeler. Don't get me wrong the scene look nice in most cases but it still doesn't look realistic enough.

# 2 03-10-2007 , 09:46 AM
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I belive its a combination of both really. But most of all I think the lighting that makes a scene realistic. I have seen plenty of scenes that look realistic just in the wip stage where the models dont have any textures at all.
The other would have to be the surface of the object. Its specular, reflection, bump. And so on.'
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# 3 03-10-2007 , 09:48 AM
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Hi banksta,
I'm no expert by far but I'm learning that although great texturing is important to photo realistic renders, lighting plays a huge role. If you're going for photo realistic then you're definitely going to want great lighting.

The way light bounces and calculated is really important and I don't think all renderers are equally effective in this area. Mental Ray is probably what you want to use but learning how to use it effectively will be quite a challenge. Even something as simple as light placement is really not so simple.

You'll probably want to study photography and lighting to help you out. Probably a good way to measure your modeling skills is to keep posting your projects and asking for feedback. Ask for some seriously strict critique's with no holds barred if you know what I mean. Responses might be nit picky but it'll probably help you know where you stand professionally.

One of the best ways, in my opinion, is not comparing yourself to others (which can be discouraging at times) but to yourself. For me, it's important to know that my skills are improving and getting better and that I'm always learning. If you've got direction and you're moving forward then you will eventually get to where you want to be.


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# 4 03-10-2007 , 11:04 AM
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Originally posted by Perfecto
Hi banksta,
I'm no expert by far but I'm learning that although great texturing is important to photo realistic renders, lighting plays a huge role. If you're going for photo realistic then you're definitely going to want great lighting.

The way light bounces and calculated is really important and I don't think all renderers are equally effective in this area. Mental Ray is probably what you want to use but learning how to use it effectively will be quite a challenge. Even something as simple as light placement is really not so simple.

You'll probably want to study photography and lighting to help you out. Probably a good way to measure your modeling skills is to keep posting your projects and asking for feedback. Ask for some seriously strict critique's with no holds barred if you know what I mean. Responses might be nit picky but it'll probably help you know where you stand professionally.

One of the best ways, in my opinion, is not comparing yourself to others (which can be discouraging at times) but to yourself. For me, it's important to know that my skills are improving and getting better and that I'm always learning. If you've got direction and you're moving forward then you will eventually get to where you want to be.

I agree perfecto. The school I went to wasn't geared for specifically 3d so I am still playing catch up. I have come a long way because of practice, but I need to get there faster if you know what I mean. My student loans are about to kick in and I have not found a Job. You have seen my work do you think I am ready to do some freelancing. Your honest opinion, don't worry I have thick skin.

# 5 03-10-2007 , 04:32 PM
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In my opinion, i reckon all three factor's contribute to a good photorealism render though i would also say most of it is done by the render with also the help of some good lighting.

# 6 03-10-2007 , 06:43 PM
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Lighting, Texturing and material settings, getting all the speculars/bumps etc right, you'll find you will have a complex shading network to get it looking good


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I'm probably not the best person to ask, but here's my opinion.

With what work I've seen you do, you have a long ways to go to get to "Top Notch" but that doesn't mean you're not ready for freelance work. I'm nowhere near "Top Notch" either but I'm ready myself. I've learned that there are different types of freelance work with varying levels of skills required. If you feel comfortable with your current knowledge of 3D, you should go for it.

Start looking for work and make sure you ask questions so you completely understand the requirements of any assignments you're offered. That way you can better determine whether or not you can complete that assignment. I think it would be better to turn down an assignment that you're not sure you can fulfill, than to not come through and risk getting a bad reputation.

Most likely, the process of doing freelance will make you push your skill level up quicker. At least in the beginning. You're ultimate goal though will be to get hired on at a company somewhere. I've been told that freelancers don't improve their 3d skills and knowledge as quickly as those who have jobs with a company.

So, in my opinion, I think you're ready for some freelance but not all freelance. As long as you EXACTLY know what each job expects, you'll probably do okay, and work your way up in the process. You just might have to be very selective at first.

P.S. Even an assignment that you can't fulfill could still be a good assignment if you are VERY confident you can find the solution to the part of the assignment you're unsure of.


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Originally posted by Perfecto
I'm probably not the best person to ask, but here's my opinion.

With what work I've seen you do, you have a long ways to go to get to "Top Notch" but that doesn't mean you're not ready for freelance work. I'm nowhere near "Top Notch" either but I'm ready myself. I've learned that there are different types of freelance work with varying levels of skills required. If you feel comfortable with your current knowledge of 3D, you should go for it.

Start looking for work and make sure you ask questions so you completely understand the requirements of any assignments you're offered. That way you can better determine whether or not you can complete that assignment. I think it would be better to turn down an assignment that you're not sure you can fulfill, than to not come through and risk getting a bad reputation.

Most likely, the process of doing freelance will make you push your skill level up quicker. At least in the beginning. You're ultimate goal though will be to get hired on at a company somewhere. I've been told that freelancers don't improve their 3d skills and knowledge as quickly as those who have jobs with a company.

So, in my opinion, I think you're ready for some freelance but not all freelance. As long as you EXACTLY know what each job expects, you'll probably do okay, and work your way up in the process. You just might have to be very selective at first.

P.S. Even an assignment that you can't fulfill could still be a good assignment if you are VERY confident you can find the solution to the part of the assignment you're unsure of.

Thanks perfecto. I have the same assessment of my self. I have learned a lot about maya compared to what I knew 2 years ago. Heck 2 years ago I had never opened a 3d application in my life and I didn't know anything about the tools or anything. I believe I will get to the level I want and I will start trying some simple freelancing.

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