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Old gym WIP... what needs to be improved upon pls?
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Right now the lighting seems a bit too dark so unless that's the look your going for you might try bumping up the lighting a little. Might also add a little more shine on the floor, but again it depends on the look you're going for. I think most gyms with wood floors have more of a shine on them.
You could also try to soften up the shadows a little bit. They seem a little too harsh.
Are you using any global illumination or final gather? The light just seems too confined and not spreading out or bouncing around correctly.
I think it's the little things like dark areas being too dark, the walls too evenly lit, etc. If you haven't already, just try playing around with global illumination and final gather and see if it helps you out any.
I really like your scene! With some more work on the lighting, I think it'll turn out pretty awesome. Good job so far!
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Thanks bruh... Yea, I had wanted a poorly lit gym with few dark areas but, yea I think the dark areas are too dark. I'll work on that. And slight reflection too. And I do use FG, didn't use GI though...For me, lighting is a LOT of trial and error.
Right now the lighting seems a bit too dark so unless that's the look your going for you might try bumping up the lighting a little. Might also add a little more shine on the floor, but again it depends on the look you're going for. I think most gyms with wood floors have more of a shine on them.
You could also try to soften up the shadows a little bit. They seem a little too harsh.
Are you using any global illumination or final gather? The light just seems too confined and not spreading out or bouncing around correctly.
I think it's the little things like dark areas being too dark, the walls too evenly lit, etc. If you haven't already, just try playing around with global illumination and final gather and see if it helps you out any.
I really like your scene! With some more work on the lighting, I think it'll turn out pretty awesome. Good job so far!
Thanks again will post the progress soon
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Edit: Here's my last light settings and render settings (Mental Ray). Probably not pro but for the scene I was working on, it seemed to be working pretty well. I used point lights for the interior and I used area lights in the windows. I also used physical sun and sky but I had a daytime scene.
I'm sure you already know that light settings will depend on the scale of your scene. I used 'Cubic' for the Decay Rate on my Point lights but you might want to try Quadratic.
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Though, I used a point light as the key light for general illumination and spot lights for the bulbs. I used D.Map shadows because ray tracing was taking too long to render. I used adaptive sampling with sampling quality 2. And I got that. I didn't use area lights because I didn't need light rays from outside.
PS: I tried quadratic and cubic it wasn't even displaying anything. However, only linear seems to work fine for some reason so I chose it.
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Any tip?
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First thing I’d do is disable all GI/FG as they have a tendency to mask what's going on with the direct lighting. Just like modeling, you block out a rough version and refine in phases. Area lights are great and quadratic decay the closest to real world light falloff. Right now the entire gym is being fairly evenly lit because the light isn’t decaying, so it’s flattening out the scene. Adjust the lights to have the desired temperature/color, then you can tweak the intensity and balance that to create the mood and turn on GI/FG and tweak further. The decay also helps to focus on a subject, for example, the big bright lights can highlight the boxing ring.
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Hello Gen,Hey Luciferr, glad to see you back at it!
Very Glad to glad to have you on my thread too.. .
I have tried Area lights and I didn't like the way it was decaying. The light radius was too big and I couldn't seem to find a way to reduce it to occupy the area I wanted it to. That was why I used the spot lights, to have more control over the light radius. But I'm gonna try what you said out, do some tweaking and let y'all know how I'm doing.
Thanks a lot
PS: What do think about the D.Map vs ray tracing problem? Do you have any clues on how to get a nice soft realistic shadows with D.Map shadows or do I have to just use ray tracing and pay the enormous time price? Because I can't seem to find any tip in how to make D.Map work with soft shadows in MR...
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I used ray traced
Light radius - 2
Shadow rays - 30 (might increase it)
Ray depth - 3
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I don't know anything about Dmap shadows but I'll see if I can help you research how to achieve softer shadows with it. Good time for me to learn as well. Keep in mind that a really good render usually takes time. I think cg movies can often times take over a day to render out just one frame.
Anyway, looks like you're off to a good start.
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Are these your final anti alias settings? If not, then you may not need to increase the shadow rays on your lights. What were your render times like with dmap vs raytraced? Are you making an animation and what are your machine’s specs? And as Perfecto said, rendering can eat up time, you just have to decide on some trade-offs to balance quality with processing time. It’s not uncommon for realistic interior shots to take a couple hours.
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Core i7 2k 3.4 ghz
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Nvidia zotac gt 730 4gig
Raytraced time: 13 mins
D.Map time: 5 mins (but without feathered edges) just as you said the filter just generally reduces the shadow intensity instead of feathering the edge like the ray trace does.
And yea, I wanna make an animation.. .
Here is my recent render... I created another spotlight and placed the light cone half of the wall so that the brighter (lower) part would simulate light bounce from the floor and also part of the bulb illumination rays and the upper part of the wall darker to simulate lack of sufficient light.
What do you guys think?
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Seems like you just need to troubleshoot what's causing the shadows to get washed out/away. My approach would be to return to your previous settings. Then make an adjustment, check render, make another adjustment, check render, make another adjustment, etc. I would keep repeating that until I found out what was causing the shadows issue.
You know your settings and scene better than anyone so always proceed the way "you" feel is best, otherwise, you'll either never finish your project, or you'll end up with something that's not really what you wanted. Just want to make sure you don't feel like you have to do everything we tell you. We won't be offended if you don't. Although, I do know that Gen's lighting work is really good so I'm definitely always excited to hear what Gen's suggestions are (winks at Gen).
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