Excellent! Another gal who uses NURBS! Never tried Rhino, but I recall hearing nice things about it. Yeah, not too many folks use them anymore, but that is how/ what I learned, so it's just sort of stuck. I had been looking at Tippett Studio a while back, because I knew a few people who worked there and had been to a few of their parties. But I was warned that they only do sub-D's by a buddy who was master of the texturing dept there at the time (I think he was just trying to make his job easier quite frankly). So, I don't know what sort of future a NURBS modeler has anymore. Will just have to see what folks say when I hit them with a reel (not literally of course!). I will try to come up some suitable wire/ cu for this thread tonight.