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# 16 03-08-2007 , 11:38 PM

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no, what ever summary we post up for other things causing gobal warming there will always be a counter argument
thank mr al gore for publising most of them (counter agu for us causing)
at the end of the day there are two many of us
if u look throung history there has alsays been population control
little medicine the black death and war are examples
technology is to blame yet it will probably be our savour

just think if global warming does happen england will freeze over and most of the world will warm up
but then again....

btw joopson i would like to see that study

i think the real question is , what is the real critical mass density?
will we expand forever or implode on ourselfs , now i would like to see that

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# 17 04-08-2007 , 12:37 AM

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https://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle2195538.ece

there it is

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# 18 04-08-2007 , 02:04 AM

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Global warming is all just a scam so that Al can get his publicity.

If it’s supposed to be getting hotter, then why was NY (my home state) getting pounded with snow last winter? user added image

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# 19 04-08-2007 , 02:17 AM

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not all places are getting hotter, and snow amount doesn't have much to do with heat. if its under 32 degrees F, than it can snow if a storm happens to be there.

global warming is just what they call it, as i said it doesn't mean everywhere will be hotter

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# 20 04-08-2007 , 02:22 AM

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global warming is just a natural thing that happens to earth, look at the history of it, it gets really hot, then it get really cold to an ice age, then it goes back to live able temps.
Humans are just speeding up the process.

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# 21 04-08-2007 , 10:18 AM

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In Bulgaria last year in my town it was 39 C ... this summer it is 42 !!!!!!!!!! Just no comment .. and the years about 98 to 2004 it was smth like 30-36 C ... I'm thinking of getting dressed like people in the desert :blush:

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# 22 04-08-2007 , 11:01 AM

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Its not as simple as just callling it "global Warming" and keeping at that, it causes freak weather, hence why theres mad weather, look at blighty under water, earth warms up water evaporates, its got to come down somewhere and in some form.

Joopson, intersting study, but its got to be the biggest load of rubbish ive read in a while, give someone long enough and given enough figures and "tweeking" they will find what they want, I read a lot of studies in my line of work (researcher/PHD student). What that study seems to neglect is the amount of carbon produced making the car as well as the fuel, it assumes that the car just appeared from no where....

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# 23 04-08-2007 , 11:29 AM

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That study is quite funny as its pretty silly. Of all the inaccuracies and complete misconceptions, it doesn't take into consideration the fact that many people already eat way more than they actually need to, so walking to the shops shouldn't result in the need to grow more food to provide the extra calories. However, I can of course think of a better way to reduce emissions, simply don't buy 'How to Live a Low-Carbon Life' and you will save some trees from being cut down to make paper user added image

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# 24 04-08-2007 , 12:16 PM

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Originally posted by Joopson
your also forgetting, people thought that walking was better for the environment than driving, but a recent study says otherwise.

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i don't even know where to begin with that one...

though I do note that even in the crap study that YOU posted, they point out that eating less meat would help the environment, a claim that you dismissed a couple of posts before - did you even read your own study??

gster hit the nail on the head - you can read whatever you want into a study. At the end of the day, we can only rely on what the scientific consensus say, which is that Global warming, or whatever you want to call it, is real.

I find it interesting that the naysayers are happy to dispute science when it comes to global warming and evolution, but when it comes to ipods and cell phones and laptops and whatever else science has given us... it's a different story.

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# 25 04-08-2007 , 12:43 PM

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Got to agree arran, on the case of technology/science your bang on, science where you want it.

Maybe the term global warming is a bit wrong, yes the world is warming up but it dosent just mean that everythings going to get warmer, which is what a lot of people point out, "ohh its snowing here and it shouldent be as its summer, therefore global warming is a load if rubbish" the warming of the earth causes a lot of extreme weather, hence the strange weather. Although I do have to say that the world has had its own changing weather, ice ages, hot spots etc before we tinkered with it, but I feel that were accelerating it.

The debate of carbon footprint is another one thats being banded about a bit wrongly in my humbe opinion, that study proves it. Its like saying that windfarms are not environmentaly friendly as the use up resource and carbon building them and then might take say ohhhh 20 years before they ofset their carbon emissions compared to fossil fuels (that's not set in a report/article its just me giving an example), come on think of the bigger picture,

The carbon footprint to me, people are using it as a instant hit like that article saying that as well as the other parts saying about paperbags compared to plastic ones, if you went and extended it to say 100 years in the future when oil is as scarse as rocking horse poop then I bet that it wouldent be the case, weve got limited resource that we need to utilise it to make the next big leap in technology, such as organic polymers, alternate fules etc. Although I did read a article that said if we went to bio fuels then the world wouldnet have enough farmland to both feed the human race and provide fuels, again limited resource....

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# 26 04-08-2007 , 01:04 PM

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it is a big cycle
when in the uk it gets hot they say its been the hottest march sine 1777 long before human co2 emissions hit high

also if we stopped all carbon emmission earth would still over heat,
global dimming stops 10% more sun rays than before so less it hitting us
remember the study after 9/11 when all planes stopped over usa
the temp change in those days was over 1 degC bigger than anything seen before
normally change is of 0.2 variety

its catch 22 we need more carbon to cause dimming but also less to stop warming

btw: we can actually make fossil fuels in a lab within a few days now . its just it make twice the foot print

there is also talk about helium 3 which a pea sized amount will ruin england for a day
so im told

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# 27 04-08-2007 , 05:40 PM

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Originally posted by pbman

remember the study after 9/11 when all planes stopped over usa
the temp change in those days was over 1 degC bigger than anything seen before
normally change is of 0.2 variety

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Is there a paper on that? Would be interesting to read it, and see the scientific background, and not to sound cynical see who its by.

Personally, to me that sounds like its like the study that walkings worse for the environment than driving, I could write a paper saying that cos Ive not left the house and not used any gas/electricity due to a massive hangover etc for the weekend on monday it was 2 degrees colder, hmmm coincidence or a fact???

Unless I can see proper proof of it and not a "unbiased" report from a newspaper i'll take it with a pinch of salt.

I know that we can make fossil fuels in a lab that take more energy than they release, thats not the point, the point is that with more research other energy will be produced that at the moment we cant get and will produce less emissions. Look at nuclear fission, we can do it, just that we need massive amounts of energy to sustain and control it, because we dont understand it at the moment.

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# 28 04-08-2007 , 06:00 PM

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gster123 > 'Is there a paper on that? Would be interesting to read it, and see the scientific background, and not to sound cynical see who its by.'

https://facstaff.uww.edu/travisd/pdf/...ntresearch.pdf

gster123 > 'Look at nuclear fission, we can do it, just that we need massive amounts of energy to sustain and control it, because we dont understand it at the moment.'

Don't you mean nuclear fusion where two hydrogen gets fused into helium?

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# 29 04-08-2007 , 06:34 PM

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Cheers Architect, for the link and for my fopar, I get the two mixed up, quite often to the laughter of the physics bods at uni in the pub!

as for the article, ive got to say that at the end of it its an argument, not a full fact, on the fact of emissions the article is basing the fact on lack of cloud covering, which at best is based on scientific knowlage and, well a bit of luck (when did you last see a weather report be spot on) they only looked at a very specific time only analysing a small proportion of time in the month, theres no real look at the temprature variation prior to aircraft, not that this is associated with the study, and there looking at cloud trails which as far as I know is a bit chaotic at the best of times.

On another note if it is correct, which I would agree with with fruter study, the fact of global warming dosent it ACTUALLY show that were making a difference to the world, not as the article suggests, helping it?????

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# 30 04-08-2007 , 08:11 PM

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yes fission would be nice but would more than likely set fire to the atmosphere
fusion is the way to go, just gotta find a place to dump it all

have a loot T THE pistol shrimp its claw snap generates heat in the thouands of degs

the study compares contrails and without contrails
they are not that irratic, condensed water vapour, it is a hell of alot more efficient at reflecting the heat back down than carbon

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