I believe the Bible and Kent Hovind argument is based on the Bible so alot of stuff he says goes along side my beliefs? And how is he a joke? His arguments are well formed and in debates I've seen its not him but the the other scientists that appear the "jokes".Originally posted by R-Tillery
And any thing from Kent Hovind is a complete joke. That guy believes that Dinosaurs and man lived peacefully together after they got off Noah’s arc. Please don’t tell me you believe him or any thing you say after will fall short of intelligent conversation.
So what you're saying is that God exists since there's no disagreement in the world?Originally posted by MattTheMan
Therefore there will allways be disagreement- unless there is an ultimate lawgiver- God.
I remember hearing that there were proof that Jesus actually lived and walked the Earth, but not that he actually rose from the dead... If you've got some, other than what it says in the Bible, you're more than welcome to share...Originally posted by MattTheMan
Ok, there is no God. Explain me this- can you rise from the dead? I HIGHLY doubt it. But, if you insist you can, can I go and beat the crap out of you, then nail you to a cross and sticking a spear between your ribs?
I think you meant to say "Some people are really close to being perfect christians" since you're referring to being perfect according to christian values and beliefs...Originally posted by MattTheMan
The only way that could happen is if we all were perfect. unfortunatly, we are not all "good" on the inside. We all have sinful natures. Some people are really close to being perfect (like mother Teresa), but the only way they manage to do that is by obeying God's commandments.
Dude, theres always disagreement in the world, look at wars, crimanal laws, politics etc .Originally posted by blomkaal
So what you're saying is that God exists since there's no disagreement in the world?
I don't know what u would consider as proof but their is the shourd. It kinda looks like a negative from a camera but on a piece of cloth. Maybe a suden surge of energy or light could have done it. https://www.shroud.com/.Originally posted by blomkaal
I remember hearing that there were proof that Jesus actually lived and walked the Earth, but not that he actually rose from the dead... If you've got some, other than what it says in the Bible, you're more than welcome to share...
Biblicaly speaking, God did not create a world like that. U're seeing the world as it is now and saying that God made it this way. If u saw a mashed-up Toyota Supra on the side of the road, would u then think, "why did Toyota make a supra like that?". I think not. Toyota didn't make it like that, it happened after it was made. God made the world and gave charge for man to take care of it, and man pretty much did the opposite. At the end of creation God saw what he had created and "it was good". God made a perfect world. Human kind destroyed it.Originally posted by skywola
Many people, including those who profess Christianity and many other religions, believe that theirs is an omnipotent God, who created the universe, who is "love". To them I would simply ask this question......... If you could create a universe, and you were indeed the embodiment of love, would you create one in which beings of that world would prey upon other beings.......a world where it is necessary for beings to consume other life in order to live? I think not.
Its been proven in 2005 that the piece they used to carbon date back in 1988 wasn't part of the real showd but a fix up of a fire that nearly destroyed the shoroud back in 1500ths.Originally posted by gster123
Wasn't the Turin Shroud carbon dated to be the middle ages rarther than at the time of Christ?
Check out my quote, that was kinda my pointOriginally posted by gster123
Dude, theres always disagreement in the world, look at wars, crimanal laws, politics etc .
Humans may have destroyed the Earth, but God (if he exists) still created a world where some creatures, not just humans, prey upon weaker ones...Originally posted by Tiago2
Biblicaly speaking, God did not create a world like that. U're seeing the world as it is now and saying that God made it this way. If u saw a mashed-up Toyota Supra on the side of the road, would u then think, "why did Toyota make a supra like that?". I think not. Toyota didn't make it like that, it happened after it was made. God made the world and gave charge for man to take care of it, and man pretty much did the opposite. At the end of creation God saw what he had created and "it was good". God made a perfect world. Human kind destroyed it.
I tend to think that god is irrelevant. For me, I don't really care whether god exists or not. I see a lot of people thanking god for their good fortune as if starving babies don't believe in god and so that's why s/he/it punishes them. I'm not interested in something that needs me to believe in it so I can get into it's special little club. I think skywola does a good job of explaining this problem.Originally posted by skywola
Now, suppose that you go to your doctor because you are sick, and after the usual check-in, you are brought to the examination room. When your doctor comes in, there may be the short bit of small-talk, then he asks you what it is that is wrong. So you tell him, and then, to your complete astonishment, he says "Unless you acknowledge to me, that I am a doctor, and address me as Dr. _____, I will not treat you." I think that the average person, with any common sense, would not wait around to be treated by that so-called doctor! This anology can be applied to Jesus. Why does he insist that others acknowledge his title? Would someone with a normal bearing in life, having a title, (as would a true doctor) feel a need to have their title acknowledged?
Originally posted by Tiago2
I believe the Bible and Kent Hovind argument is based on the Bible so alot of stuff he says goes along side my beliefs? And how is he a joke? His arguments are well formed and in debates I've seen its not him but the the other scientists that appear the "jokes".
Thanks for the links to "On the existance of God". Im always interested in debates like these.
Its not just that, there is Bible prophesy aswell that comes true. If there were no God how were these predictions made. Surely an extra chemical in ur brain couldn't tell u the future. Thousands of years b4 prophets of old wrote about stuff happening nowadays, and also inventions not yet made in their time, eg. cars. What about the 'mark of the beast', Biblical turm. Is that true. 'Less they recieve a mark in their forehead or in their right hand they will not be able to buy or sell' -Bible. Well today that is possible and even already catching on in some parts of america. Its not yet used for buying and selling but rather for entrance in clubs. The technoknolodgy is certanly there already (https://www.verichipcorp.com/).' The Bible fortolled this would happen and it is already starting to happen.Originally posted by R-Tillery
it’s just what you were taught and what you have faith in.