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Bioshock graphics?
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its digital for digital sake and the 'look at this, isnt this cool' act..,
IMHO bladerunner though full of compositing retained the 'film' look.
im waiting for it all to die down and return to 'film' with slight enhancement rather than a full frontal attack of compositing maths and presets.
off the subject but sort of in the ball park.., the application of digital FX in my opinion is, atm, being abused and is over used in all areas and now, i hear here.., even on a games level.., well im not surprised.
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The moment someone makes a game or film with a dark gritty atmosphere, I think I'll give up internet for a week.
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It is a bit of lim limitation on the comps side, making things not "perfect" is hard, natures random, computers aint, even a random numbers not really random.Originally posted by The Architect
It seems to me that nearly everything these days made on a computer is shiney. Is it an inherent limitation of computers or is it just some flawed ideal of what computer graphics should be? eg. shiny = cool, therfore it = good.
The moment someone makes a game or film with a dark gritty atmosphere, I think I'll give up internet for a week.
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Now "Gears of war" looks better on my xbox 360 than it does on my pc, but my graphics card is for 3d not games (even though it still plays most with out a problem) so maybe it just a PC thing. It still looks good - dont get me wrong but I feel it looks more moody on the 360.
The only problem I have with the whole normal map thing is there are now too many hero characters with silly facual scars for no reason other than it looks cool in zbrush. Gone are the days of the good looking main characters.
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This reminds me of the previalence of shallow characters... and of this game review where the two reviewers blasted this game for including utterly pointless scenes of a half-naked elf in critical parts of the storyline. It was rather amusing to see the developers go so low, yet rather sad cause the artistic medium is being twisted into some gaudy try-hard... ...thing.Originally posted by tweetytunes
The only problem I have with the whole normal map thing is there are now too many hero characters with silly facual scars for no reason other than it looks cool in zbrush. Gone are the days of the good looking main characters.
Sorry for the rant...
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not sure that made sense though :p
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theres always.., 'desaturated' isnt there??
wouldn't know myself, only seen two or three in my life
maybe it maps for maps sake.., RGB, radiosity, reflection, occlusion, .., ect.., ect.., ect.., done well they work well to.
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20-03-2008
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Like you said, the brush dosent limit the artist, but only give the artist one brush a limited palate and a short amount of time and your not going to get the best work.
Also I think that shineyness does come form the cool factor, its like "whahhh look at those refelctions aint it well coool" not that its realistic or anything,
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I havent had a chance to really play the game since I just played the demo, so as long as the game is actually good, I suppose it doesn't really matter, but after all the hype of how awesome it looks, I was a bit disapointed.
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I thought that having reflections slow down computers and having no reflections doesn't, thus a more realistic game would be achieve higher framecounts and be more better looking at the same time.Originally posted by gster123
What I mean Mirek is that if rendering time is an issue (which in games it is) then you cant add the bells and whistles to it, to make it look the best.
I don't get how shiney became cool. It's like screaming out, "Look at me, I'm shiney, I'm sooo kewl!"[i]
Also I think that shineyness does come form the cool factor, its like "whahhh look at those refelctions aint it well coool" not that its realistic or anything, [/B]
Not bashing shineyness though, it's awesome for eyes and I can spend minutes staring into the eyes of characters made by artists, although I don't think its good for my eyesight.
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It will do, but making blured reflections is much harder on the computer though, which makes it more realistic.Originally posted by The Architect
I thought that having reflections slow down computers and having no reflections doesn't, thus a more realistic game would be achieve higher framecounts and be more better looking at the same time.
Think about a mirror, you render with no reflections and its just a bit of black geo, with OTT reflections it at least can be seen as a mirror. More works needed to get it looking right though.
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Originally posted by gster123
It will do, but making blured reflections is much harder on the computer though, which makes it more realistic.
Think about a mirror, you render with no reflections and its just a bit of black geo, with OTT reflections it at least can be seen as a mirror. More works needed to get it looking right though.
Not sure if blurred reflections are more realistic, or am I thinking of mirrors, prompted by your example?
But do we need reflections? There are lots of scenes that don't require any, eg. dark dungeons.
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As for do we need reflections, well if you want it to be realistic then yes. BUT there are places where you wont really need them but they will still be there, your in a dungeon and the walls are wet the light hits the damp walls, how you you protray the waters there without them??
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Originally posted by gster123
I think you are, blured reflections are key to getting rid of the clinical CG, that you see all over the place.
As for do we need reflections, well if you want it to be realistic then yes. BUT there are places where you wont really need them but they will still be there, your in a dungeon and the walls are wet the light hits the damp walls, how you you protray the waters there without them??
Can't it be a nice dry dungeon in a place like a desert or something? Those ketchup stains might need reflections though, unless the enemy are those oven-dried egyptian walking-dead warriors from The Mummy Returns.
Anyways, I happen to recall that Rainbow Six Raven Shield had "blurred" reflections, but they used a pic for it so reflections were static. Maybe if they were to mix static and dynamic (and maybe they do) they can make it reasonably fast while being realistic at the same time.
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