Personally I dont use mirror, I just dupe and flip in negative X y or Z scale, combine then merge verts...its a few steps more but less hassle in the long run.

Mirror has always been pretty crap to use.

TO GET THINGS TO LOOK LIKE THEY SHOULD, IE: MORE DEPTH AND SO ON - USE REFERENCE. You cant cheat anything like this as people will just pick away.

Lips need at least one more loop on them and also around the outside of the mouth. I suggest you look at reference of lips, A mouth is not flat across the face it curves around it and also the corners are recessed, again look at references.

I think the proportions need work regardless of whether its a cartoon or otherwise, the model looks very lumpy too so I'd smooth out those areas around the cheeks

EDIT: LOOK IN THE TOPOLGY THREAD FOR EXAMPLES OF LOOP LAYOUT.

Jay

Originally Posted by Jay

The edge loops are the least of your problems; the overall form is incorrect. The reference you have chosen isn't particularly good, as the person's head is looking down, as well as to the side. One of the most important reference images to get is a 3/4 view; as that will help you with the form.

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Originally Posted by NextDesign

Ahhh I can feel a massive face palm about to happen

If the edge loops were correct you would achieve correct form Duh!!

Left to Right = X, Y and Z

Just because you cant afford it doesnt mnean you arent serious....just do a google search. If anything I would say you are pretty negative in you outlook as if you want it done automatically or for you, you gotta work at it to improve.

Dont constantly model with smooth preview on, just model with it off, just keep pulling those verts around until they are tidy.

Inseting an edge loop will do things certain things to the geo, you have to go in and shape it, it doesnt do it for you

Jay

Originally Posted by Jay

Delete the pole at the nose bridege...dont be scared of deleting loops or parts there of
in fact if it were me I would delete the nose mostly...delete some of the vertical loops in the chin/mouth and reposition the verts as Jay said. I know organics nil...BUT as I am following Jays Ramsey...less is better and form is more.

cheers bullet

Originally Posted by bullet1968

I think you should take a step back from the model, and just look at the form. Take a screen shot of it, bring it into Photoshop, and mark it with lines until you're happy with the shape. Look at references while you're doing it. I think you're just moving vertices for the sake of moving vertices. You need to have a goal, otherwise you'll just keep moving them around ad infinitum.

Another method that some people use, is to download a model of a skull, and place it into the scene, then model around it.

Originally Posted by NextDesign